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Doug
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I require a dust skirt/brush with longer brushes than the standard item's 20 mm long brushes because I use long end mills.

Can anybody point me towards a replacement 1 1/2" (38 mm) wide brush insert for the Stepcraft item.

Yes, I can Google and eBay but I am hoping for a quick response.

Thanks in anticipation.

Doug

Stepcraft 2/840, StoneyCNC industrial HF spindle, 4th axis, TurboCAD 2016 Professional 64 bit, MeshCAM, GWizard feeds & speeds calculator, UCCNC
Hobby use: guitar building (luthiery), https://dsgb.net

 
Veröffentlicht : 10/02/2017 9:44 pm
Miguel Morao
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While you're there perhaps you might think of inventing some wider than 38mm attachment, for if you use a longer skirt you'll run an increased risk of having it getting in the cutter's way and your skirt will quickly become short again.

Clockwork Orange is a S600 with 4th axis, Kress 1050. Software is UCCNC, DeskProto, Rhino, DraftSight. Also a Silhouette Cameo for vinyl, plastic card, etc.

 
Veröffentlicht : 14/02/2017 12:52 am
Roy Rathner
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Hi,

I use strip brushes from Mink. But I have a DIY made suction head.
Here is the link:

Mink

I bought them here:

Enobi

BR
Roy

MfG
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Veröffentlicht : 14/02/2017 10:17 am
Doug
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Thanks for the responses guys. I'll look into your suggestion Roy.

Regards.

Doug

Stepcraft 2/840, StoneyCNC industrial HF spindle, 4th axis, TurboCAD 2016 Professional 64 bit, MeshCAM, GWizard feeds & speeds calculator, UCCNC
Hobby use: guitar building (luthiery), https://dsgb.net

 
Veröffentlicht : 14/02/2017 3:54 pm
Roy Rathner
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By the way, I use the 30mm long ones and I can say, you can really drive Z down to the rubber part and the brush easily bends without any problems.

MfG
Roy

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Veröffentlicht : 14/02/2017 4:04 pm
Doug
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O.k., thanks.

I am looking at getting an EMCELBN carbide end mill, extra length, ball nose 4 flute (5 mm diameter, 31 mm flute length) ball end mill:

http://www.drill-service.co.uk/Product.asp?Parent=100120500000&Tool=173

http://www.knighton-tools.co.uk/acatalog/CARBIDE_CUTTERS.html

On the underside of my guitar neck, I will need to mill down to 36-38 mm depth so I am looking at two separate toolpaths on the underside with removal of uncut stock at the sides in between to avoid fouling.

I could run the roughing toolpath with a bigger end mill but I want to avoid manual tool changes with the requirement to re-zero the Z axis. The geometry has a 5 mm rounded bottom truss rod channel to mill so I can't go any bigger than a 5 mm ball end or else this won't cut correctly.

Doug

Stepcraft 2/840, StoneyCNC industrial HF spindle, 4th axis, TurboCAD 2016 Professional 64 bit, MeshCAM, GWizard feeds & speeds calculator, UCCNC
Hobby use: guitar building (luthiery), https://dsgb.net

 
Veröffentlicht : 16/02/2017 9:16 pm
Miguel Morao
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Sounds challenging, I'm sure you'll make it B)

Re "requirement to re-zero the Z axis", I got the standard Tool Length Sensor and it works a charm. Peterg1000 invented a better mousetrap but I'm happy with this one, no tinkering, no measuring, no testing, no swearing at all. Drop your z-axis on the button and your zeroed.

Clockwork Orange is a S600 with 4th axis, Kress 1050. Software is UCCNC, DeskProto, Rhino, DraftSight. Also a Silhouette Cameo for vinyl, plastic card, etc.

 
Veröffentlicht : 17/02/2017 10:36 am
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Agreed - a tool length sensor is an absolute must have, no guesswork and spot on every time. I did find that once I used double speed probing the second approach needed to be really slow for most consistent results- I set mine to 30 steps / second with a raise of 1mm after the fast approach trigger.

Whilst I'm waiting for Rory to take delivery of some VFD spindles ( like Doug's ), I'm making an even better mousetrap to allow 3 axis probing. My prototype works well but was very difficult to adjust - the new one incorporates a stroke of genius for the adjustment. I'll post some pictures when I've finished making parts.

SC 420/2, Industrial VFD spindle from StoneyCNC
UC100 + UCCNC
Cut2D, Autosketch10, Draftsight, Eagle 9.5.1

There is no problem, however simple, that cannot be made more complicated by thinking about it.

 
Veröffentlicht : 18/02/2017 1:01 am
Miguel Morao
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If you manage to do that your glory shall elicit praise for times immortal :woohoo:

Clockwork Orange is a S600 with 4th axis, Kress 1050. Software is UCCNC, DeskProto, Rhino, DraftSight. Also a Silhouette Cameo for vinyl, plastic card, etc.

 
Veröffentlicht : 18/02/2017 8:05 pm
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As promised - an almost complete kit of parts for the super mousetrap!!

Peter

SC 420/2, Industrial VFD spindle from StoneyCNC
UC100 + UCCNC
Cut2D, Autosketch10, Draftsight, Eagle 9.5.1

There is no problem, however simple, that cannot be made more complicated by thinking about it.

 
Veröffentlicht : 19/02/2017 11:45 pm
Doug
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I bought a Stepcraft tool height/zeroing sensor but removed it because I somehow didn't trust it compared to zeroing with a cigarette paper!

Doug

Stepcraft 2/840, StoneyCNC industrial HF spindle, 4th axis, TurboCAD 2016 Professional 64 bit, MeshCAM, GWizard feeds & speeds calculator, UCCNC
Hobby use: guitar building (luthiery), https://dsgb.net

 
Veröffentlicht : 20/02/2017 9:08 pm
Roy Rathner
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You can trust it, you just need to measure and set it up correct.
I use mine since the beginning and won't miss it anymore.

MfG
Roy

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Veröffentlicht : 20/02/2017 10:00 pm
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Hmmm... Could be done with some 2-3 telescopic rings. I will think about it, try and if it works I will put all the info here.

 
Veröffentlicht : 22/04/2017 12:49 pm
Doug
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You can trust it, you just need to measure and set it up correct.
I use mine since the beginning and won't miss it anymore.

O.k. so I reinstalled mine while the Steppi was propped up on bricks and gave it a try. All good but it was about 0.35 mm off so obviously some settings need tweaked. Sadly, I have got into the habit of using the cigarette paper.

Doug

Stepcraft 2/840, StoneyCNC industrial HF spindle, 4th axis, TurboCAD 2016 Professional 64 bit, MeshCAM, GWizard feeds & speeds calculator, UCCNC
Hobby use: guitar building (luthiery), https://dsgb.net

 
Veröffentlicht : 22/04/2017 2:04 pm
Doug
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Hi,

I use strip brushes from Mink. But I have a DIY made suction head.
Here is the link:

https://www.mink-buersten.com/produkte-shop/leistenbuersten/flex-system/zur-artikelauswahl/produktauswahl-fbl.html?id_artikelkategorie=275

I bought them here:

Enobi

BR
Roy

Hi Roy.

After the huge amount of sawdust and chips generated from my attempt at cutting a guitar neck (see latest video), I have resolved to design my own dust skirt/shoe. This is what most amateur CNC operators do it seems. The problem is two-fold: the StoneyCNC industrial HF spindle axle is shrouded by the Stepcraft exhaust adapter and the industrial spindle blocks the mounting screw meaning that to change cutters, the spindle has to be removed from the orange plate. Also the brushes are far too short for my application. There is one available to buy here but is very expensive:

https://www.kentcnc.net/nc

and it is not known whether this will fit the Stepcraft system in any case.

I have had a look for flexible brush strips in the U.K. and my searches did not turn anything up, or at least turned up plenty of brush strips for domestic door draught exclusion but they all seem to be encased in an electrogalvanised mild steel channel and housed in an extruded mill finished aluminium alloy carrier.

I could buy the Mink-Buersten 50 mm flexible brush strip from Enobi but they charge 30 Euro to ship to the U.K. and I could do with 75 mm long brushes. I measured up the industrial quality HF spindle and there is about 25 mm axle stickout from the orange base plate. Couple this with about 50 mm cutter stickout on a modified long reach cutter and I'm way beyond 50 mm. 🙁

Anyway, I plan to use 12 mm clear cast acrylic sheet for the top of the shoe (13 mm still leaves enough room on the spindle axle flat to attach the spanner) with a 15 mm cast acrylic rod with a stainless steel threaded insert for the locating button and a 24 mm cast acrylic tube for the exhaust port. I will design a simple shape for the top sheet in CAD with a channel for the brush strip, a 24 mm diameter straight through hole to insert the exhaust port and a 8 mm deep rebate to accommodate the 15 mm round bar and mill this myself from the acrylic sheet.

Doug

Stepcraft 2/840, StoneyCNC industrial HF spindle, 4th axis, TurboCAD 2016 Professional 64 bit, MeshCAM, GWizard feeds & speeds calculator, UCCNC
Hobby use: guitar building (luthiery), https://dsgb.net

 
Veröffentlicht : 24/04/2017 9:32 pm
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